More on Hitler's fans in India

An Indian reader posted an intriguing comment on my post about anti-Semitism in contemporary India ("The latest thing in Bombay's nightlife: Nazi dining!"):

I believe that India hosts highest number Hitler admirers in the world. Most Indians are either unaware of the crimes committed during WWII or they conveniently chose to ignore it. Most young students and even radical elder people have a fascination, admiration of Adolf Hitler. I try to find the pattern of certain sentiments (both anti-muslim and anti-reservation) in India at my blog- it is just an attempt:
http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/adolf-hitler-and-indians.html

His post on the topic is thought provoking. 

I was especially intrigued by his comments on the anti-"reservation" backlash among Brahmans, which reminds me of the phenomenon of White resentment against minorities in the US over their supposed "special treatment" under Affirmative Action. 

Judging by the continuing stranglehold by the three elite castes on the upper echelons of Indian society (e.g., the Indian media), these measures have had a marginal effect on Indian society.   Nonetheless, such legitimate measures taken to redress the legacy of institutionalized prejudice (in this case against Dalits and members of other "scheduled" castes)  are resented (and no doubt greatly exaggerated) by those who have the least cause or moral right to complain about the injustices of the system.

The author also discusses increasing prejudice against India's Muslim minority, which as the bizarre alliance of Brahmans and Dalits in the Gujarat pogroms of 2002 shows is not limited to those at the top of the pecking order.

Comments

[Carsten Agger]

While I think that Sujai-jis points are valid, I also think they are not the whole truth and not altogether fair, especially not fair enough for us as Westerners to use as an occasion to be pleased with ourselves. What do I men by that?

Well, I'll try to explain: Recently, I saw an interview with Shah Rukh Khan, where Khan was asked if he, as a Muslim, felt any backlash after the Mumbai bombings. He said no, not at all.

Obviously this was quite predictable and I thought: No, he wouldn't, would he? Shah Rukh Khan is probably the most popular man in the world and known to be not very orthodox in his way of practising Islam, anyway.

However, there's another point: All the communal tension in India, and yet ... and yet the most famous and popular man in the country is a Muslim, and nobody finds any real fault in that.

And yes, there are strong communal tensions, but in most of the country there's normally not a lot of communal friction - it's just that it's a large country. But most of the places, most of the time there's a lot of peaceful coexistence going on.

And more than that: If you look at the popular culture, a staple plot in Bollywood films is communal tensions as something which is kindled by corrupt politicians seeking only to line their own pockets (this is seen in films like Krantiveer, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani and to some extent Rang De Basanti).

Now that notion being a staple of Bollywood films proves nothing APART FROM the fact that if the public is supposed to accept these plots, this must be a rather strong notion already existing in the public that "normally" there's not a lot of strong communal resentment but such resentment is fabricated by politicians for their own reasons.

Which is not to say there's nothing wrong in India and no communal violence and no saffronization, or that independence and partition did not cause rivers of blood to flow.

But India has also got something else, something which might actually inspire hope rather than despair in the rest of us: Real multiculturalism, real peaceful coexistence and respect for each other's culture. While there's every reason to be concerned about India's possible saffronization, we should also remember that the BJP government was actually ousted, and that in some ways India could also show us which way to go in the future - to handle the truly diverse, peaceful and cultrually societies which we are seeing and hopefully will continue to see more or less everywhere in the world ...

[Svend]

Thanks for the insightful feedback, Carsten. I agree with you on most points and certainly on the broader point.

India has a lot going for it and a lot of exciting and positive things are happening there.

But there's no need for me to talk about that since everyone else does constantly. Since that the explicit assumption of most coverage, I feel little need to repeat that here, as I'm more interested in commenting on perspectives or facts that I consider neglected in mainstream coverage.

At the same time, I think India has some very serious problems as well. Behind the facade of democracy and multiculturalism lie some very serious inequalities (between castes, classes, regions and religions) not to mention some rather reluctant members of family India (e.g., Sikhs in Punjab, Kashiris and Tribals in the northeast). And it also has a rarely noted intensely nationalistic and jingoistic side (were it not for Pakistan's nuclear program, India would definitely have invaded in recent years; even then, INdian politicians were loudly boasting that they could wipe Pakistan off the map with a nuclear strike).

Everyone knows Pakistan's many faults, but I think India consistently gets a free pass. Hence my contrarian take.

[Carsten Agger]

And of course you are also right in pointing out India's many problems.

However, I don't feel compelled to take sides in the rivalry between India and Pakistan - many of the problems facing both countries are similar and due to the same socio-economic and historical factors, others are hugely different.

As for the communal tensions, I posted a short story illustrating this on my own web site some time back, by the Indian film director and writer Khwaja Ahmed Abbas:

http://www.modspil.dk/litteratur/the_death_of_shaikh_burhanuddin.html

In my view, this story tells more of the horror and futility of these conflicts that I'm capable of doing myself.

[Atlantean]

Svend and Carsten Aggen,

Please do take a look at my what Sujai calls "elaborate criticism" in reply to his post "Adolf Hitler and Indians."

Sujai himself has said it was just a hypothesis. I have challenged it. Would like some discussion on the issue.

[Carsten Agger]

Svend, you might consider deleting these last comments - they are more likely pranks than the opinions of anybody.

regards,
Carsten

[Svend]

Thanks for the suggestion, Carsten. You're right and I've removed them. They were so long that I kept putting off reading them to figure out what the heck they were trying to say. Whatever their message was, I'm not interested in providing a platform for people who say things like "Heil Hitler".

As for the possibility of them being pranks, I wouldn't be surprised if they were fake. At the same time, India has its kooks and extremists, too (especially within Hindutva circles).

[Atlantian Survivor]

i just came accross a site that claimed that Hitler almost destroyed India!

I don't see how Hitler destroyed India.
Last I checked, Hitler fought the British, allied with Subhas Chandra Bose and planned on arming and liberating India.
Furthurmore, Hitler made it clear from the begining that he was not intrested in a oversea Empire in the slightest.
That is why he developed freindship with many non-European peoples from the farely advanced to the -by Western standards primitive--like arabs, Tibetans, North Africans ect.
Infact Nazi philosophy taught that nature created portions of "Living space for each race, specie, ect.
That is why Hitler felt it was Germany's responsibility to fight the masess of Russian barbarians, so that they would not attack Europe and eventually non-Europeans.
Hitler saw that the masess of Slavs were no different than the hords of Mongls that the Chinese were forced to fight and so he saw that all advanced races and civilizations needed defense against larger amounts of barbarians who lacked all moral scruples.
Hitler felt he was cleaning Europe, he did not seek to clean the world.
India in it's history has also defended itself against threatend arab attacks, so it knows what it is like to have masess of primitives who are willing to kill good peacefull and creative people.
Hitler often talked of "Indian superiority"--he claimed that "If we (Germans) were to rule India, the very first thing we would do is finish up by quickly proveing that India has a civilization older than our own".
He also said the "The Anglicans never set out any ministry description, thus it was that the Indians never suffered any attack of this sort upon their "spiritual integrity".
I think the key word is "spirtual integrity"--Hitler knew that one thing India had as it's main strenghth was it's spiritual integrity and glorious cutleral traditions even though it lacked in modern mechanization and as he saw it "proper leadership".
He also once said "American civilization is of a purely mechanized nature, if it weren't for this mechinization the Americans would perish more swiftly than India"--what he was basicly saying here was that since America was spiritualy and cutleraly crippled, it's mechanization was the only thing that kept it together, and that it is the lack of American culteral-historical pride, it's lack of "spiritual integrity" that would make it collapse much quicker than even the millions of masess of India who had been modernized and mechinized by British occupation if the British were to leave.
Hitler then talked about how in America the European had reverted to being a nomad.
Basicaly what Hitler was saying was that the masess of India, even the most primitive among them, were infinitly superior to the diseased mass es of Nomad criminals in America.
The fact Indians were redish bronze people and that the Americans were European decent did not make much of a difference, the masess of diumb Americans were stupidest on earth, period.
Even dumber that a "Negro with his tabus" as Hitler once said.

So I ofcorse see the evil the Nazi regiem was responsible for in war autrosities and restrictions of freedom in their state controled society, but they were not intent on destroying great culters, they wanted to preserve them regardless of the so-called "shade of their skin", ofcourse they also believed that the race that all great peoples decended from was a race that was far behond even the Germans, they simply claimed decendency from this great Atlantian race, but they were not ignorant of the lower White Caucus mountain neanderthal race that inhabited Europe, mixed with the Atlantians.
So they knew they had some higher genes, and lower genes, and they hated the "White Devil" from the caucus mountains, becuase these people have always been a threat to the Atlantian race of which Greeks, Indians, and Egyptians were decndened.

So Hitler fought the White Racist devil and in Europe and in America, he allowed the Japanese to rid Asia of the Pale faced Devil and his Capitalist-anti-culter Jew freinds once Britian proved their intolerance AND hypocracy regarding Germany's "Living space", he aided Arabs in their fight against anglo-Zionist Imperialism and he had plans to make India a culteral-historical oasis if they could ever get their shit together.
He worried about their problem of castes, but then again he ended the class warfare in his own country.
All in all Hitler left India alone, he saw that they were following Gandhi in non-violent resistance and so he let them alone, the arabs courted him frequently and so he concentrated his energies in helping them.
But when Subhas Chandra Bose came to Germany High ranking Nazi's supported him with money, means of gathering followings by making propoganda to indian prisoners of war, latter helping him to establish a "India centre" and helped him raise a Indian amry in the West, the first army in the West in India's history.
Those are the facts.
Hitler wanted the British to be different.
He wanted them to be vegetarian, creative, and supreme, but they proved to be a negetive influence on those they conqured, and so he saw that the ONLY thing the Anglo-Saxon countries could offer a nation like India was mechinization, because that was the only thing it lacked, it had everything else: cultural greatness, historical greatness, advanced religous ideas and "scientific achievments" (that it transfered to invading Muslims of the past)---all this produced in every Indian a great sense of historical-ansestrial pride, and the ancientness and advancedness of their national-culteral traditions gave them great "spiritual integrity"--this most precious national possesion which they had.
So the only two things they were missing was "mechinization" and "mobalization"--social peace.
If they could have these two things they would be one of the surviving superior civilizations.
Hitler may not have publicly done and said enough in support of India while he was alive and fighting a war with international agressors, but that is only becuase he was to be as hard on India as he was on his own people, acknowleging all their weaknesess ect.
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I'm sure when the war was over, he would have established great freindship with India.
He certainly did not attempt to destroy their culture in any way, i9t was the British who did that, and it is the Americans who have destroyed hundreds of cultures in their existance, and it is the Slavs who are the White Barbarians, a enemy Hitler feared would one day invade India, and make the Indians pray for the English to retrun!
Becuase the majority of Russian Peasant Mongols had worse morals than the tricky Anglo-Saxons in England and America, and so Russia was certainly the most dangerous of all, becuase they didn't even have the "illusion" of righteousness, human rights, and promise of equality that the Leauge of Nations preached.

As a final witness of Hitler's opinion of uneccissary imperialism waged not for national and cultural security from larger masses of brutes, but for pure greed-materialism-international destruction--then I advise anyone intrested to read the words of "Political Testament of Adolf Hitler" that he made as the war drew to it's end.
Don't read the "Last Testament"---those were only "final words", one must also look at the documents written down and preserved by Martin Borman.
This document has universal, international, and prophetic significance.
In these last days Hitler pours out his heart, he says what he really thinks and feels because he knew that he was no loner obligated to put on phony faces to try to win the support of others.
He says what he really means, and clearly comes out against colonialism of all kinds.
He saw the conquering of the Upper East as a necessity of the German people brought on their shoulders against her will.
Hundreds of years ago the Great Civilization of China had to defend their advanced race, nation, and culture, from the eternally brutal attacks of those low center of gravity, primitive, and yet terribly effective masses of Mongols!
The Chinese claimed that they could "smell them coming" since they did not wash and were full of murderous sweat; and yet the Mongols still continually caught them unprepared.
The point is whether we are dealing with Yellow Mongols or White Russians, it is not that they are "yellow", or "white"---the piont is that they are #1 primitive (which is not a reason to do aways with a race--as many primitive peoples are wise and beautifull in their own right); but if this primitive evolution is also "brutal"--that means they would also like to expand as much as possible, all the better if they are higher in numbers to more advanced, enlightened, and evolved peoples, cultures, civilizations!
This is the danger from the left: the mobilization of the barbarian peoples--superior in numerical value and physical endeurance (like a Neanderthal) (all neanderthals had red and blonde hair by the way, they were a strain of White Men that were infact the most primitive, and while the Atlantians had spread their energies to India, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, they had left Europe to the Barbarians (decendents of crossbreeds of between Neanderthals and more evolved types that had conquered Europe).
The Russians and unfortunately the Slavic race in general are the purest decendents of the ancient crossbreeds between more Neanderthal races and the Aryan ones--and in most cases the Neanderthal gene imposes it's great strength.
The other races of Europe are decendents of the great Race-Races that all of the great Aryan-noble non-white races are decended of!!
This is what should bind Europeans to nations like India, Iran, China, Japan, Ethiopia etc.

Our opposision to the devil from the Caucusa mountains should unite us!
And our oppossion to the masters of evil and deception: The Anglo-Masonic Elites that milk the meek of the world should strengthen us!

Therefor there is much knowlege that must be aquired before we can launch a golden age for all the noble races and lifeforms of the earth, but one thing is sure: that we will have to build it on the ruins of our sworn enemy; and the other certainty is that we will NOT have to wage war to do it!
It is happening to itself without our help!
All the crimes that this "great humanity" is committing under the leadership of the wickedest shepards-elites in all history are adding up, all the crimes against nature and it's countless lifeforms, all the unnecissary sacrifice of life-- humanoid, animal, and plant alike,----not to mention the forces of nature upon which we depend---all of them are now destroying humanity because it all adds up, all the crime comes back to it's origin and takes the innocent with it.
Humanity has evoked forces against it.
As the wise hebrew prophet Isaiah proclaimed : "you, rebellious ones, will become abhorant to all the kingdoms of the earth!"
I don't remember where that was, but it is somewhere in the book of Isaiah.
So Nature will take care of our little problem but unforchunately for us she will do it in her time and all great peoples are at risk at the present.
Nature has a dark side, and these international devils who are themselves with imperialists and brutes have actived this dark, destructive reaction.
The Earth is middle aged and I am certain that the earth is ready for and desires peace at this time, but "Man" wanted war and provoked the planet, and now millions will suffer!

India is one of the last living civilizations which has perfect coads honoring life, and creation.
She is also the oldest civilization in the area of where the Middle East and Asia meet, so she must be prepared to take the lead!

Anyway, read the "Political Testament of Adolf Hitler" and realize why we ALL should have supported him!

Hail to final victory!

[littlemoney]

great........hail to final victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Swetha]

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