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TM Lutas

You forgot a few adjectives on your description of "ethicist Peter Singer", quite critical ones for those who are unfamiliar with who this guy is. You should have included pro-animal rights and pro-infanticide in front of his name. Animal rights are not compatible with conventional Judaism, Christianity, and, I thought, Islam. I believed that all three had a conception of man as not equivalent to the animals on the moral plane. Please reassure me that I was right with regard to Islam. Singer's infanticide promotion should also be a very big warning sign to pick somebody else to raise your points through. I'm being clinical here in describing infanticide. Singer's advocacy is for killing post-partum, not some overwrought pro-life description of abortion.

Getting past the messenger to the message, I ascribe no moral superiority to public over private charity. The people who compile these "look at the skinflint americans" usually do. The US' charity mix is unusually tilted towards private giving. Adding in private giving almost doubles the $0.18 figure given in the video above. In aggregate the charity picture (public plus private) looks quite different. If you believe that government action is inherently inefficient due to its lack of adequate feedback loops, a US charity spending mix is actually superior for the same amount of money donated as opposed to a government dominated national charity mix.

The criticism in the clip of figuring out what is happening right and wrong in charity/development is exactly the problem of poor feedback loops. I think you do have something of value here, mixed in with the less than good parts described above.

I think that there is a real need to improve all of our charitable efforts. The US is not a moral paragon here. We could be doing more. We should be doing more.

So you understand that I'm not critiquing as a debating tool to defend the stingy wealthy, here is my position. I would like to see a moral uplift effort to get us from $0.32 to $10 out of $100.

That's a huge change that would require a fundamental cultural shift. Such a shift would probably only become practical if we become much, much richer. It would also likely require a fundamental shift in the information flows of our society.

Money flows of this size would be incredibly vulnerable to redirection by politicians seeking to buy elections so I am against increases in government charity. The temptation to corruption is too much and the amounts available would be too effective at destroying the free society that makes honest charity and honest religious worship possible.

svend

Thanks for the characteristically thought provoking response, TM. (Should've known this would elicit a retort from you. :-) )

Can’t respond at the moment beyond noting that this post is not meant as an endorsement of his other positions. I added the word “controversial” to the 1st paragraph, too. He certainly is that, though in this case the only controversy I see is how obscenely on-target his criticisms are.

TM Lutas

I would strongly encourage you to find a better ethicist.

On the point of taxation, I think both of us would be against progressivity for religious reasons. I can see the utility of forcing people to give money to the benefit of the poor but I cannot see the spiritual benefit of it.

svend

Oops, that was a dumb typo. I did not mean to write it "is not" very Islamic in spirit. It is, very much so! Hence the key institution of zakat, one of the famous 5 "pillars" of Islamic faith.

To my knowledge, traditional scholars are in agreement that zakat a "flat tax", remaining at 2.5% for even the richest of people. The indigent are not expected to contribute, though, so in that one sense it might be considered "progressive", I suppose.

In Islam, wealth must be purified by zakat, which functions as a sort of welfare system. Otherwise, it is illegitimate.

svend

Sorry about that self-contradictory observation, which managed to make the opposite of my intended point twice in the same paragraph.

Aside from a previous piece he wrote also for the Chronicle of Higher Education a few months ago arguing for a more nuanced and pragmatic debate on the question of health care "rationing"--which I found reasonable--I him only by reputation, having never read any of his writings on euthansia or animal rights (his signature issues?), so I haven't formed an overall opinion of him.

I don't think that Islam's ethical tradition differs notably from either Christianity or Judaism as regards the issues for which he is known. If anything, the absence of an Islamic "Enlightenment" era or widespread secular probably means that Muslim scholars have been even more united on such moral questions during the modern period. So I think he's no less controversial from a traditional Muslim standpoint.

Having said that and admittedly not knowing much about his ideas, I will say that while these traditional values are sacred in Islam, that doesn't change the need for hard, morally-ambiguous choices to be made constantly in medicine and policy. If his positions on the issues you mention are attempts to inject sound practical guidance and ethical principles into often polarized, fact-free debates--which is his stated aim in the piece on foreign aid that I cited--then I might not have a big problem with him. I fully expect people with secular worldviews to disagree with me, and that goes especially in a case like this.

Can't say either way at the moment.

svend

First of all, while I don’t want waste or inefficiency anymore than anybody else, I don’t agree with the widespread assumption that government action is always less effective than private sector action. So I don’t assume a priori that government involvement has to be counterproductive from a financial standpoint. Were the government to get more serious about oversight and transparency—a scenario not much more momentous or farfetched than a genuine commitment to moral engagement in the world; both would depend on a new ethical discourse emerging and capturing people’s imaginations—the inefficiencies might be reducible to acceptable levels (at least when weighed against the advantages of having these functions performed by a body that is politically accountable to the people and required to disclose its operations; privatization of aid work may be more efficient, but it’s often far less transparent and it’s by no means immune to corruption).

Second, while private giving to worthy causes is obviously always morally commendable, but I sometimes find the “1000 Points of Light” rhetoric sinister in that it can easily be used as a smokescreen for the society shirking its collective duty.

The danger in a sudden increase of aid hugely being embezzled or otherwise misappropriated is certainly very real at the moment, so any increase would need to be accompanied by new regimes of monitoring & evaluation.

All these things sound pie in the sky, but I don’t think they would be if we somehow as a society had a long overdue, serious discussion of the ethics of and our involvement in Globalization. It could happen under the right circumstances, I believe.

TM Lutas

The donation scheme proposed by Singer goes up to a rate of 33% for the very wealthy, in other words rate progressivity, not amount progressivity. How you define progressivity is up to you but Dr Singer's definition is an objective fact, not to be danced around.

Dr Singer's other positions aren't to be danced around either. He has said that it is morally permissible to kill a 6 month old child, putting it as better than killing an adult dog if the dog is healthy and the child is quite sick.

If I found a moral system that was interesting, even admirable in some respects but found cannibalism to be acceptable practice, I would find it necessary to avoid citing that moral system or prefacing every compliment of it to make clear my own condemnation of cannibalism. I could do no less for infanticide and thus whenever Singer's name comes up I do condemn him no matter what else he says that I might agree with.

I avoid using him as a model, trying to find others. Singer is not so unique in the observation to give to the poor in a real and meaningful way. I think that if we exerted ourselves, we could educate each other as to the names of a few christian and muslim figures who said the same without the infanticide promotion.

I do not find Singer's charity atonement for his infanticide any more than I find Polanski's directorial efforts atonement for his child rape and sodomy. The rotten quite spoils the admirable and will continue so long as there is no repentance.

svend

Good points all. Thanks for sharing them.

I don't know what level of taxation for the wealthy would be appropriate--i.e., what is just and maximizes the common good while remaining economically sustainable--but I don't have a problem with responsible progressive taxation in principle. "Soaking" the rich is neither right nor economically sustainable, but I don't accept the conservative axiom that the wealthy have "earned" every cent they have through their own hard work, smarts, etc. It's a very ironic value for a society so deeply influenced by Protestant Christianity, especially Calvinism, to adopt, I think. They deserve to enjoy the fruits of their labors and there must be incentives for economic innovation, but since external factors have also played an important role in their success (chance, government, roads, their customers,...) I think society deserves a cut.

Also, a critical distinction is rarely acknowledge: Even if one accepts the moral and philosophical arguments for entrepreneurs keeping everything have, those arguments don't apply to most rich people, who aren't by any means self-made. Most of the Forbes 500 were born rich. For all that wealth to remain in families is neither easy to justify morally or healthy for society.

Also, by the standards of the rest of industrialized world, 33% is pretty low, isn't it?

I too find the infanticide you describe deeply disturbing--in the case of Muslims, this is doubly chilling and evocative, as Muhammad is known for banning female infanticide, then common in Arabia--but I need to learn more to comment. My guess/hope is that there is more to his reasoning than that.

You are right that Islamic tradition shares the notion of human beings being God's vicegerents and therefore entitled to use it to their benefit. At the same time, Muslims like Christians and Jews are beginning to reevaluate some of those traditional assumptions, which have too often neglected the concomitant responsibility of responsible stewardship and holistic vision.

One other thing: I don't think this is really about "charity", in the sense of giving simply out of the goodness of one's heart. In Islam, that's sadaqa (charity), which is separate from zakat. The amount due is obviously open to debate, but from a Muslim standpoint at least this is simply an essential responsibility of membership in communal life.

Not that I'm implying these values to be alien to Christianity or Judaism, of course (the obvious example being tithing, which many Americans observe even today). The key difference is that is that in Islam it's formalized and institutionalized (even if there is debate as to whether a state has the right to impose it, a view I do not accept).

TM Lutas

In criticism of the rich, there seems to be a great temptation that all too many of them succumb to to pay for lobbyists to not just defend their point of view of what is just but to actively lobby to discomfort their competitors, enriching themselves through political actions backed by the state's monopoly on violence. Not even the most free market conservative thinks that they deserve the proceeds of this rental agreement with the state.

Responsible stewardship is important. It also tends to be profit maximizing so I believe that stewardship and the free market have little to fear from each other if what is being stewarded is actually owned and not just leased out for a bit by the state, destroying any incentive to engage in proper stewardship.

I'd be interested in hearing more about zakat as an essential responsibility of membership. Does zakat pay for the police, the courts, the prisons, the diplomats? I thought that it didn't. If it's an essential responsiblity of membership of communal life and the poor are exempt, are they still members? Why?

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